Tuesday, June 21, 2011

Need if you need

Often in heroic randoms, you will see someone ask if it is ok with the group if they need on a piece of gear. That piece could be an upgrade for their main spec or even their offspec. If it's an offspec role, than if they are lucky, no one else needs the piece. But every now and then you will run across someone who doesn't bother to ask if they can need on a piece for their offspec, even after someone else says they need it for their main spec. This is a huge problem for healers and tanks. I have had so many upgrades stolen from my healers and tanks by people who are queued as a dps or a tank or healer.

The old saying "Need if you need" has lead people to assume that just because they CAN need on an item, that they are entitled to roll on it, even if it is not for the spec that they are queued as and it's an upgrade for someone's main spec. People see that they can need on it and figure that their own need outweighs someone else's need. It is both sad and infuriating when I see this happening in instances, the trollroics being the latest cause of this type of behavior. All you can do when someone needs on your upgrade is hope that the WoW loot Gods are on your side and that you out roll the other person. Of course you may have this happen to you several times in an instance and all I can say is Good Luck.

I had this happen to in Zul'Aman when I was healing it on my Gnome Priest. The Paladin tank was obviously not geared for pulling as much as he was and so people were dying because they kept pulling agro on mobs that he was obviously not actively generating threat on. One of the DPS was from the same guild as the tank and he started berating me for letting him die. I explain that "Mr. Pull more then he can handle" can't hold agro on everything and that we should use some CC. Of course I phrased it a little more diplomatically and didn't lay the blame on anyone specifically. I am assuming that the two of them were off in their own vent server talking trash about my healing. We managed to make our way to the Hex Lord Malacross when a healing ring dropped. It was an upgrade for me since I was still sporting two 346 ilevel rings so I naturally needed...and so did the Paladin tank. Maybe he thought that stacking spell power was still the way to go for Paladin threat. Thankfully I won the ring and he apologized for needing on it and I let it go since I had the ring.

We wipe a few times on Daakara because we had the Lynx and the tank didn't understand that he needed to taunt the boss back onto him when it switched to a different target. Finally we kill him and I see what I was hoping for the entire run: the Amani Scepter of Rites. Now this mace hadn't dropped any of the times that I had been there on my priest and I was naturally excited to finally see it. And that's when the bomb dropped; the tank needed the mace...and won. I asked him if I could have it because I was the healer and it was clearly a healing weapon AND a huge upgrade for me. Well that's when the Pally revealed that loot was based on turns or in his words "You won the last piece and now it's my turn to win a piece." He then drops group as I am standing there speechless and right before I drop group his guildee calls me a scrub healer and laughs at me.

If I could punch people through the internet, there would have been two little kids with black eyes somewhere out there. The sad thing is that because of the randomness of the looking for dungeon tool, unless I roll on their servers and chew them out in trade or through whispers, there are no repercussions for them. They can keep needing on gear that isn't for their main spec and if they win it, they'll have stolen another piece of gear from someone who actually needs it. All I can do is ignore both of them so that they don't end up in my random group again, and queue for another random trollroic where I can hope to get ZA so my mace can possibly drop. I was seriously tempted to roll an alt on their server though, that's how mad I was.

I beg you, my readers, please don't ninja need items for your offspec when someone needs the item for their mainspec. With the Midsummer Fire Festival starting today, the Frost Lord Ahune will be available through the LFD tool and I know that people will be tempted to ninja need cloaks for their offspec. Please take a minute and think if needing on a cloak for your secondary spec is worth the aggravation and frustration that you are inflicting on someone who is queueing as their main spec and could use the upgrade. I know my words will probably fall on deaf ears for some people but I accept that. Maybe just one person will read this and change their mind about ninja needing.


  1. Keep in mind this goes both ways between tanks/beakers and DPS. And this type of thing happens in regulars as well as non-trollics.

    I can think of two events recently that totally Peeved me while queued as DPS. First a warrior tank needed and won against my rogue in H-HoO for the Agility Trinket. I guess he didn't hear agility isn't going to do anything for plate wearing tanks...

    Second was on my warlock in a regular HoO where the epic geared priest needed on a robe against me, and gave it to the DK that was running with him! Neat guess was they were trying to game the heroic ilvl requirement for him, or was just trying to get some stuff he could sell.

    *sigh* it really is a PITA pugging through LFD lately. It's almost as bad as it was in Wrath. Hopefully this thread will reach a few people and someone will think about their behavior.

    (PS ~ This would not post from my phone for some reason...>.> )

  2. tanks/beakers? Really autocorrect? That should have been "Tanks/Healers"! LMAO

  3. That is incredibly shitty and I'm thankful that I haven't run into this kind of thing too often.

    I blame the Dungeon Finder or the disparity between classes or roles. That tank, judging by the quality of his tanking and other factors was probably a main spec healer and assumed that he would get a faster queue if he slid into a tank role and put himself in the queue that way.

    Or you see situations where DPS try to go as heals and you run into the same problem. If people would just queue up as themselves, as what their main spec truly is, I feel we would see less instances of this occuring. But as long there is some incentive for being a certain role and as long as there is a clear shortage of said people willing to perform that role, I feel this problem is only going to continue and/or get worse.

  4. Dear Blizzard,

    Please install a rating system for the random LFG tool. If you have been kicked from your group >5x you receieve a -5 to any roll that is on gear not directly related to the spec you are utilizing in the group and so on.

    Love and kisses

  5. Well, if i see someone took someone from the main spec role, and i see a lot of dps needing on tank gear while i heal, i usually kick up a fuss till the dps either caves in and trades, or leaves.

    Im just grumpy that way, it annoys me beyond words to see such behaviour.